Honda Lawn Mower Shop Manual Hrb217
Honda HRX217 HYA Lawn Mower Service Repair Shop Manual. The Honda Power Equipment HRB215, HRM215, HRB216, HRB217 Lawn Mower Shop.
Let’s face it: the Honda Harmony 215 is a great lawn mower. It’s self-propelled, it has more power than your standard mower, and it mulches great with a killer mulching blade. But, it seems like everyone is looking for information on how to fix its transmission. I watched videos, read all kinds of forums, and checked out Yahoo Answers, but nothing seemed to answer my question, “How do I fix my Honda Harmony transmission?” When I couldn't find a good answer to this question, I decided to take matters into my own hands and fix my transmission problem myself. Now I am passing on this valuable information, along with two other transmission issues other do-it-yourself mechanics have identified, and a bonus carburetor cleaning process.
Please leave a comment if you have any questions; maybe I can help. I was reluctant to remove the transmission because it is buried inside the lawnmower. But because I really wanted my self-propulsion back, I sucked it up and dug in. It really wasn’t too bad once I got the lower cover off under the mower deck; that gave me a really good view of the transmission. But in fact there is no need to go this far, if you have the problem I did.
In my case, the problem was the drift key on the drive gear. Replacing the transmission would have been one way to fix my problem, because along with the transmission I would have replaced the part that was giving me the problem. The new transmission comes with a new axle shaft, and the axle shaft is where the problem exists. This is just a quick note for the curious folks.
When I went further and opened the transmission on my Honda Harmony 215—here's an, and here's a —I was very surprised at what I saw. I was expecting to find plastic gears all chewed up and worn out. But all the gears are hardened steel; this transmission is bulletproof, although the linkage can get pretty sloppy. Someone would have to thoroughly abuse the mower to kill this transmission. I make my lawnmower work hard, but after 14 years of use, the transmission looked like new inside, except for the old grease. I own a lot of Honda machines, and taking this lawnmower apart proved to me once again that Honda makes a great product. Paul and I have been going back and forth with the issues with his Honda Harmony 215 SD mower, as you can read in the comments below.
Paul's Honda mower is not the exact same model as mine, but he found a different problem and made some awesome funny videos to help anyone who may have the same problem; they are above and below this paragraph. Thanks, Paul, for all the feedback and the videos, it was a pleasure helping you get through this tough repair. If anyone else has a problem with their Honda Harmony mower and they know how to fix it, make a video and I will post it right here just like I did with Paul's videos. The videos have to be about the Honda Harmony mower and no other brand.
I'll see you in the comment box at the end of this article. Donald is a wild and crazy guy who loves to tear apart anything that will challenge his abilities. He came to me for advice about his Honda Harmony transmission and ended up teaching me a thing or two.
He said his Honda Harmony transmission would walk along the axle shaft until it hit the grass chute. It took me a while to understand what he was talking about, and eventually he sent me a video explaining it with great detail, using a hammer and a transmission! See the video below and you will understand what I mean. He ended up tearing apart the transmission, only to find our transmissions were not alike internally or externally. He did find a broken c-clip inside the transmission that was causing his problem.
The c-clip was what held the bearing race in place on the shaft; because the c-clip was being broken, the transmission would walk down the shaft, and eventually hit the grass chute and stop. Below I added some pictures from Donald's transmission; he kindly shared them for the world to see. Keep in mind that this mower sat outside for most, if not all, of its life; it's a crying shame for such a beautiful mower! Donald shared a great tip for all you DIY guys and gals: instead of cleaning the carb with toxic chemicals like carb cleaner, Donald likes to boil the carburetor in lemon juice, yes I said lemon juice, and it smells much better then carb cleaner. Take a look at the pictures below: the carburetor looks brand new, even the float looks super clean! The last time I talked to Donald, he said he was making a video about this 1994 Honda Harmony HRM215K1SDA, so check back often to see if he or other readers have added even more information to this Honda Harmony page.
The more we learn, the longer we can keep these bad-ass machines alive! I have Honda Harmony HRM215 CB Serial Number: MZBB6004459 SXA. In second gear, the wheel will spin when they are in the air but when they hit the ground they stop. Every now and then the mower will spurt forward for a second in second gear but then stop. It runs perfectly fine in first gear. A few months after the slipping started, the drive stopped disengaging when I let go of the Drive Clutch Lever. It eventually disengages, usually when I'm going down hill or I manually lift up handle bars and the rear wheels off the ground and then push the handle downs and lift the front ones as it seems when the rear wheels are higher than the front it disengages.
If I go down a very step bank it ALWAYS disengages. For the slipping in second gear issue, I've tried the simple fix of removing the left real wheel and then fixing the gear piece right there to make sure all the parts are situated correctly. It helped making sure the wheels spun when in the air in second gear but that's it. I've also seen your video that talks about the Clutch and Shift levers becoming lose due to stretching in the rectangular slots.
Haven't pursued that yet. I don't want to give up on this mower as I really don't like that you have to keep the blade running on the new mowers to keep the engine running which sucks when you have to go over something but don't want the blade running or you want to stop and move something out of the way. Greatly appreciate your help. Hi Eddie- I am trying to repair my HR215HXA mower. I need one small ratcheting drive gear on the end of the axle shaft (shown in the first photo of your article), and also the oil seals and nylon bushings that fit the axle ends.
All of the parts diagrams that I find on the internet show a rear wheel that is driven by a racheting hub that is totally different from my mower. Do you know the part numbers of these three parts? I am on the VT/NH border.any idea where I might find them near here?
Thanks for the help. Well I'm thrilled that you have this resource. I purchased a Honda hrm 215 last month with the owner telling me that it was working the year prior and it prob needed a tune up. Anyway I bought it in hopes of using it. Little did I know that he canabalized it! Linkages were missing and off. Carb was loose etc.
Anyway got it all out back together. Cleaned it and put a new bowl on it cause it had pitted badly. I GOT IT TO RUN! I could believe it. But much to my disappointment I noticed a small oil leak buy the cylinder head. I'm hoping it's the gasket?:( any suggestions?
And how difficult is it to change? Hi Eddie, I have an older Harmony HRB215 SXA MZBA 6339444, it's gotta be maybe 15+ yrs.old easy. So heres my problem I have, when I engage the drive I feel a studder like something is slipping and it will not go UNLESS I give it a shove OR lift the back up, the wheels start spining and I put it back down and the thing takes off strong most of the time sometimes a little slower,then other times it wants to pull out of my hands, very inconsistent.Mine has a plastic deck and I love the thing,it's nice and light and dont really want to get rid of it Any ideas.Thanks!!!!!, Andrew.
My lever has some play in it but it's not worn at all where yours was. In fact, my lever is plastic instead of metal and clearly designed to eliminate that point of failure that you found.
Seems mine is a new model where the engineers tried to improve that weakness. It's now a large lever with a large body that fits down over the 'arm' so that is has a lot of surface area to contact the arm and avoid wear and tear. In fact the lever is in perfect condition after many years of abuse. However, I found the problem in my case was at the opposite end of the arm to engage/disengage the transmission. At that end the metal arm has a round plastic piece that is slotted to fit over the arm and fit into the transmission housing to give is a point to swivel. However, that plastic piece was broken at one side so it was flopping and giving play.
Then I noticed the other level to change gears was designed the same and the plastic piece there was not broken so I swapped them. And I think I was able to reassemble the transmission so that the it doesn't matter the other one is broken, it is firmly seated and won't come lose since the gear shifter gets much less abuse than engage/disengage.
Now it only remains me to re-install the transmission! Thanks for all the videos and help, you really gave the confidence to give it a while and fix it myself. Wow your Honda Harmony video is so helpful. However, the height adjuster won't come off. I already remove the 1st snap ring, the gear, then the plastic cover and the second snap ring.
But the height adjuster still won't come off. I put lot of WD-40 on it, banged and pried on it but only moved about 1/16 inch.
My next try will be be to buy a 'puller' tool. It's annoying since the transmission and shaft can freely move back and forth and so it's almost free. But since the height adjuster is still on, transmission shaft cannot swivel out enough to come off. What am I missing?
Or is getting a puller the right move? Amazing how things work properly when you have the right parts! Picked up the new wheels on my way home from work on Friday. First thing I noticed was how much beefier the wheel sprocket is on the new wheel as opposed to the old wheel. I also noticed that the new sprocket is a little larger so it meshes with the axle sprocket better. No slop or play in the wheel.
Both sprockets now line up perfectly. I got home, $80 lighter and sitting at my front door were the new parts for the drive assembly. Twenty minutes later and the mower was back in business. Ed, Great, great information. I have a HRM215K3 SDA that I rescued from a neighbors trash about 3 years ago.
For $75 in parts, I had an awesome machine. I have encountered a slight problem that I didn't see mentioned in any of your previous postings. The internal gear on the left side rear wheel engages the drive gear on the very outside edge. Only about 1/8'.
After awhile, the edge of the drive sprocket wears away and the drive stops working. This is what caused the previous owner to dispose of it.
I'm now in the process of ordering another drive sprocket. Any suggestions as to what I can do to get the gears to line up better?
Al - go to PartsTree.com and look up your mower's model and serial number. They have generally helpful blow-up diagrams of the various subsystems of your mower, which will help show you how parts are arranged. Not quite as detailed as a service manual, but probably enough for you to know how things fit together. It worked well for me when I rebuilt the driveshaft bushings attached to the rear wheels of my Honda HRM215HXA. Also, your problem with one wheel turning freely opposite the other most likely means you installed the pinion gear (part # Honda 42661-VE2-800) backwards on one side.
There are a number of YouTube videos that show how to install it correctly, and the issue is covered at the top of Eddie's original posting, telling you the drive gear (the pinion gear) is directional. Hi Ed thanks for the quick reply,I have now taken the trany apart and I think I broke something inside by banging on the axle trying to get it freed up and turning.
It seems that I forced a snap ring into the housing and it's suck or wedged there for now. I will take it to work in the am and press it out to see what can be done with it.
The bad part of this story was that before I changed the seals on the trany after adding quite a bit of hydraulic oil the trans worked fine. The mower was a great find for $30.00 bucks,so I will definitely try to fix it. By the way thanks for the site and these mowers are built like tanks. I will let you know what happens. Hi Eddie I have a 215 hxa hydrostatic drive mower that I recently changed the seals for the trans on. Before I did this job the mower would wheels would rotate in both forward and backwards directions no problem.Now the wheels will turn freely in one direction or the other depending on witch way I have the drive gears on the shafts. I can actually have one wheel lock up when going backwards and have the other wheel lock up going forwards.I've tried switching the gears from one side of the mower to the other and have the same problem.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Wow, what an amazing resource. A neighbor just threw his out because it wasn't running well. It's old, but it looks brand new!
I know the engines are strong, but having some issues with the drive train. It will do self-propelled, but only in gear 3. It seems to be maxed out as the other 2 do nothing. It's somewhat inconsistent. I thought it was possibly the trans, but looking at all those amazing metal gear I agree with you that it's built to last.
Where do you suggest I start trouble shooting? Hi Eddie - I just wanted to share with your readers that just because you have a 15+ year old Honda mower, doesn't mean you need to forego modern features! I just ordered off eBay auction # 74, a universal John Deere mower deck washdown kit for just $12.99. You just drill 2 small holes in the deck: one to accommodate the washdown port, which uses a quick-disconect to connect up to your hose, and the 2nd, smaller hole is to anchor the mounting piece. After you mow the yard, you just connect up your hose, turn on the water and turn on the mower with blade running for about 2 minutes.
It'll completely clean out your mower's underside and get rid of clumped-up grass bits so you have a clean mower for your next yard job. I've been envying the built-in ports on new Toro's and Husqvarna mowers, but now I can incorporate this same feature on my Honda HRM215 for a measly $12.99 and that includes free shipping! What's more, the unit is made of aluminum, so it won't get corroded when installed through the Honda's Xenoy deck. Who says our HRM 215's are outmoded?
I recently took my HRM215HXA to the repair shop because it was making a racket out of the drivewheels. They told me they could put new bushings on the driveshaft for $110 but in a year I'd need a new transmission ($200 just for the part!). I pulled the unit out of the shop and started shopping for a new mower in earnest. However, after reading your site, I was inspired to take my rear wheels apart and inspect it for myself.
Sure enough, the guy who evaluated it had pulled the worn bushings out of one side; they had worn so badly that the drive gear in my right rear wheel kept losing contact with the gear teeth on the inside of the wheel. That's what made all the noise. Then, I discovered PartsTree.com and for the measly cost of about $20, including shipping, I was able to get new bushings, C-clips, and drive gears and replaced them myself. Now my mower runs good as new and I don't see any kind of evidence that the hydrostatic transmission is in need of replacement. My 17 year old Honda mower runs just great; so glad I don't have to replace it! So, if you've got an intermittent, grating sound coming out of the rear of your HRM215, you may want to check out the plastic driveshaft bushings. It's an easy job and well worth your time.
The Parts Tree construction diagrams are a great help, too. Hey Eddie and all, I have an hrb215sx with a 2 speed tranny which has a second gear that skips.
It runs fine with no load but as soon as it hits the ground, it works sporadically. Now honda sells these at a ridiculously high price here in canada, over 300$, which is more than what the mower is worth and there ar e no parts sold separatly. So i took the tranny apart and inspected everything but couldnt find any obvious sign of wear. Then, looking at it closely, the tip of the gears were slightly worn. I then tried this: take the gears and switch so that they would turn backwards instead!
When you think about it, when the gears rotate, the pressure is always applied at the same contact point, and over time that same point wears out unevenly compared to the other side which remains intact. Well guess what, after that change, i put it back together and voila, works like new again, no skipping. I must add that i had tried the obvious stuff like adjusting the cables before taking it apart. I have some pictures of the transmission i could send if you wish. Hey Eddie, I went ahead and took that Honda harmony's axle apart,Well actually just had to take the collars off the drive wheels,The axle and transmission stayed put while I removed the axle collars,wheels,etc. Hey Bruce, curiosity can fix anything, lol.
I know exactly what your talking about because I have a Toro that does the same thing, but I use the Honda mower the most, and haven't got a round to diving into the Toro. I did notice the rubber guard on the back of the mower deck causes a problem sometimes, it's there to prevent objects from flying out the back side of the mower. Almost every time I would back the mower up it would swing under the mower causing the same issue, just something to check. If you figure it out this weekend, take some pictures or a video of what you find and I'll post it here, either way, keep me posted, your feedback is priceless Bruce, and I really appreciate it. Hey tkskagen, the problem usually is with the shift levers or the cable adjustments, I have yet to see a slipping transmission be something wrong inside the transmission.
Inspect the levers and cables closely and let me know what you find. Also make sure you watch my boring videos, I know I was doing a lot of thinking while recording, but there is a lot of good info in them. Let me know what you find, maybe I can point you in the right direction:) Hey and thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it!! No Brewcityfan, you da man, lol.
You had the guts to take it apart and figure out what makes it tick, the next time will be even easier, lol. I took mine apart three times, determined to figure out the problem. The last time I took it apart I decided to document it so I could look back a the video and see if I missed anything, but I ended up figuring it out while I documented it. If you want to winterize your mower or any machine, I recommend filling your fuel tank and adding stabilizer, then run it for about 5 minutes to get the stabilizer into the carb. I have never fogged my machines, only my boat, but it wouldn't hurt to fog it, I just have never done it before, and I have had some of my machines for 20+ years. It's also good to change your oil before winter so it can sit in nice clean oil while taking a nap for the winter.
The worst thing you can do when winterizing your machines is to drain the fuel tank and run the carb out of fuel because it's the small unused fuel deposits left in the machine that get all gummed up and cause problems. Thanks for all your feedback Brewcityfan, I know someone will gain some knowledge or courage reading your post:) I'll be right here if you need me, take care for now. Eddie, YOU ARE THE MAN!!! The transmission problem on my Honda Harmony HRM215K1SDA is FIXED!! At least for now.
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I'm pretty stoked as you can tell. I followed your instructions from your videos and from this post.
So here are the details. First, I removed both rear wheels, drift gears, drift keys, etc. And black wheel guards. Like Paul above, I couldn't figure out how to remove the wheel heighteners so I left them on. From there, I flipped the mower on it's right side and removed the 3 bolts from the blade guard (left the speed bolt in place).
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I swung the plastic blade guard out of the way as much as possible, although it was still somewhat in the way. Next, I detached the shifter cable from the control handle and pulled as much of the cord thru the deck as possible for slack. Next, I should have loosened the 10mm nut from the shifter cable to the transmission, but I didn't. (I realized this later when I was trying to remove the big transmission spring). At this time I turned the transmission on its axel towards the front of the mower which allowed me to pull off the drive belt. This was not easy.but not as hard as getting the belt back on later. Once I got the belt off, the transmission turned to the back of the mower, but I could not get the spring off.
The reason was because I did not first loosen the 10mm nut and remove the shifter cable from the transmission. With that cable still in place, it was pressing the end of the cable wire into the deck keeping tension on the spring. Once I figured out what was happening, I was afraid I bent the hell out of the cable wire to the point it would no longer work. After I removed the nut and shift cable wire from the transmission, the entire unit eased backwards and I easily removed the belt pulley spring. Next, I swung the transmission around so I could see the top side where the pulley wheel is.
I left the drive clutch cable in place on the transmission as you mention. I removed the pulley wheel and this is where I became discouraged. I realized my Honda Harmony was a different model than yours when I saw that mine had plastic shifter levers where yours had the metal ones. My levers looked very similar to the ones in Paul's video, and I'm pretty sure he said his was an 'SDA' model as well. You were able to easily see the wear on the holes of your metal levers, where I did not see wear on my plastic ones. My fear, as I said, was that the problem was somewhere inside the transmission.something I did not have the time or knowledge to dig into further. I played with the lever a little bit going back and forth, but it seemed okay to me.
I felt what I thought could be a little play in the lever but nothing I could see as far as wear on the lever itself. SO, I decided to put her all back together, start her back up and winterize her for the season-end until I had the time and better understanding of the guts of the transmission. When I had it put all back together, I pulled the cord a couple of times and it started up.ok good, it still runs. Now to test the drive to see if at least it still at least TRIED to go. I was expecting it not to work at all or at the very least hoped it still just slipped around. But to my amazement, 1st gear was not slipping!
Wow, very cool. Ok.let's go for broke and try 2nd gear.and WOO-HOO, 2nd gear was not slipping at all. My driveway is on an incline, so when the mower was able to propel itself to the top I knew the self-propel was working again. I guess just playing with the lever going back and forth may have freed up something on the inside or outside that enabled it to work again. I really have no idea. What I do know is that I would never known how to take it apart and put it back together without you or your page.
Thank you so much! I'm very excited to be able to hang onto this fine mower for hopefully years to come. I know they don't make engines or parts like they used to on these older models and I'll take pride in caring for this quality piece of machinery for as long as I can. My only regret is not taking more pictures or video of my efforts.
I would've like to share them with other Honda owners out there like you and I. When I became discouraged and thought I was not going to be able to fix the problem, I figured there would be no use for them. However, if anyone has any questions for me about what I did, I'll respond to them when I can.
One more question for you about winterizing your mower.when you winterize, do you drain the entire gas tank of fuel or do you go the other way and fill it up to the top with added fuel stabilizer? I've been trying to find which one is recommended for my Honda model, but haven't found anything.
Even the manual is vague and eludes to both. Also, do you ever fog your mower while winterizing? (ok, that's 2 questions) Thanks again! Hey Brewcityfan, That's the problem with the Honda Harmony, there are so many different models. I wouldn't be nervous about cracking it open just to have a peek inside, just use a good sealer when closing it back up, and depending on the type of fluid you find inside, you can always replace it with a good oil or grease.
I know some folks are worried about what type of lube to use in the trans, but think about it, it's a lawn mower, not an Indy car, lol. You just need to replace the lube with something similar, not exact.
So I say, give it a shot, you may be able to fix your problem, or maybe not, you got nothing to lose. Take pictures as you disassemble it so you can reference them when putting it back together. Let me know how you make out Brewcityfan, and if you get stuck, I'll be right here:). Figured it out. The unfortunate news is that I don't have the same model as you. I think mine's the same as Paul's who posted his fix about his clutch spring.
In case you can't recall, my issue is with the drive slipping in 1st and 2nd gears. My shifters are plastic and don't show the same wear and tear as your metals ones did.
So my fear is that the problem is inside the transmission, which I believe to be FAR out of my area of comfort. Any other ideas before I put her all back together?
Hi Brewcityfan, I know what you mean about dropping $600 on a new mower if I can restore one for a few bucks. Hubpages will not let me approve any links in the comment box. You can write the name of the sites but you just can't place links, but thanks for the info. If you decide to tackle this mower for your winter project, check the shift levers on the transmission for play like in the video, I wouldn't even bother taking apart the transmission. Let me know if you need any advice, and if you figure it out, take pictures and short videos of what you find and I'll add it to this Hub., thanks Brewcityfan. Eddie, I own an HRM215K3SDA. Transmission suddenly stopped working.
Transmission and axle were free wheeling. So I removed and openned it up. There is a small, 13 tooth, Bevel Gear, connected to the bottom of the Drive Shaft that drives the entire drive train. It is broke in three clean pieces and needs to be replaced.
A very simple fix if I could find one. Problem is: I have been unable to find diagrams or component part lists for the guts of the transmission. Been on-line searching gear vendors but is a real guessing game without specs. Plan to give Spicer, the transmission manufacturer a call in the morning, but not real hopeful to be honest. Would sure appreciate help from anyone who knows how to access diagrams or parts lists for Transmission components. I can be reached at MHPDLP@aol.com Thank You.Mike.
Hi Brewcityfan, Thanks for all your feedback, I really appreciate it:) I have a video on the exact problem you're describing, but there are so many different Honda Harmony transmission models, you'll be very lucky in you have the same one, lol. There is a link to it above the comments here on this page, it called, Honda Harmony 215 Transmission Fix, if you haven't watched that yet, check it out and let me know if it helps, I know I'm a little long winded in it, but I wanted to explain it in detail. There is also a page on how to remove the transmission. Try this, put the transmission shift lever in 2nd gear and then engage the wheels, if you put more forward force on the shift lever, do the wheels catch? If so, you can try to adjust the shift cable so it's a little bit tighter, make small adjustments and test it.
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